Jerome Powell says the $39 trillion national debt is “unsustainable,” but warns the “debt” won’t end well.

The chairman of the Federal Reserve Jerome Powell gave a strong assessment of the health of the American finances on Monday, telling a Harvard economics group that while the national debt of $ 39 trillion is not immediately dangerous, the way the country is in requires urgent attention from the lawmakers.

Powell said during a wide-ranging discussion before about 400 students: “The debt situation is unsustainable, but the path is not sustainable. It’s not going to end well if we don’t do something soon.”

These words add to the consistent warning that Powell has heard for many years, that although the debt situation can be controlled in the short term, the financial system is not. His comments also come as the country’s average gas price has approached $4 per gallon during the war in Iran that shows no signs of settling soon, despite President Trump’s talk of a possible end to hostilities.

Powell was careful to draw a distinction between the stock of debt and its path, noting that the US, as a global financier and home to the world’s largest stock market, can hold large amounts of debt through small economic means.

These words came in response to a student who asked whether the size of the US debt is destroying “the point of natural payment methods.” Powell acknowledged that no one knew exactly where that place was – pointing to Japan as a country with a much higher debt-to-GDP ratio than the US – but said the travel direction was unclear.

“What is clear is that our debt is growing faster; the federal debt is growing faster than our economy,” Powell said. And that ratio is rising.

Interest payments on the national debt are now estimated to exceed $1 trillion in the 2026 fiscal year — nearly three times the $345 billion the government paid in 2020. In the first three months of the current fiscal year alone, interest payments have reached $270 billion, which is more than Social Security’s spending over the same period. These are the real obstacles to real money options. But they are obstacles, not collapses—and conflating the two distorts the policy conversation. The national debt is expected to rise from 101% of GDP today to 120% of GDP in 2036, surpassing the post-World War II record, according to estimates by the Congressional Budget Office.

However, Powell did not want to pay the debt directly. He suggested that the reform should be moderate – and more achievable, if there is political will. “We don’t have to pay off the debt,” he said. “We just need to have basic stability and start making the economy grow faster than the debt.”

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